On the art of electing a good moment

portasMasters tell us that astrologers should not analyze a horary question for themselves. In the same way, they can make a mistake by creating an electional chart for themselves.

Our desire for something to happen, or not to happen, leads to difficulties in interpreting the astrological configurations, giving room to ours unconscious mind.

It is true that mistakes mark us more than correctness, so we should learn more from them, but … this is not always possible.

Sometimes, even “a posteriori ” we are not able to identify the error, and yet, the election has not occurred as it was expected.

Any chart, but especially the electional one, is of extraordinary complexity, perhaps because in the final analysis we may be playing God.

So here’s an advice to the astrologer: never read a chart in a hurry, without sleeping for at least two nights from the first sight. The initial trust of an electional date must remain unabated. If not, it should be reviewed.

It may just be a personal opinion, but it is not possible to serve too many customers. Ideally, the astrologer would have to be paid enough, so he or her could devote several days to the same chart. This would give chance to be dazzled by the enigma of the unknown that must be deciphered and enable the professional to become a scholar.

Having the client’s chart in mind, memorized, from so much studying it, it is possible to do the best . The professional who has time to dwell unhurriedly on the chart benefits clients enormously, because their charts live in the astrologer’s memory.

I can say that there are people who I have not seen for years, and for so many years that their charts have been lost on old thirty years old drives. Many of them are dead. But the charts are still in my mind, like those of my friends, relatives and children. I forget birthdays, numbers, but I do not forget the charts I worked on.

I mention this fact of “digesting” the chart, because it is fundamental especially for any election.

I advice also to the astrologer avoid in any way to erect an electional chart whose purpose he, as a person, does not agree. The astrologer has to be on the client´s side, so considering his goal unacceptable or impossible, is a bad way to begin the work.

What can happen on this cases is that the astrologer will not find plausible dates, will start running for years without finding anything, and finally will adapt some things correctly, but usually as a result of the time and context of the client.

The result is ineffective and will ultimately harm the client and his/her own name.

Such a thing has happened to me, and up to this day I do not discovered a mistake in that disastrous electional chart! Apparently the choice for the day was okay…but the subject was not one, but a bunch of events very intricate and not depending one of the other, even if they will begin at the same time.

If the desired outcome is unreasonable, such as winning the lottery, doing several surgeries at the same time, in order to take advantage of the election, or because of the hurry, or if a woman wants to become pregnant at age 55, frankly, it is better to decline the election, even if the client is willing to pay a big money, so big as the client´s fantasy and desires.

In the case of several surgeries on the same day, for example, it is difficult to hit a good day, because the procedure lasts too long: the position of the Moon changes and also the ascendant which can be able to harbour Saturn or Mars, which dilutes the election, even if it has been well done.

The electional chart must take into account the client’s natal chart, the cyclical moment in which he is living, which is provided by the rulers and sub-rulers of firdars and profections, and by the ruler of the year, indicated by the solar revolution. The last one will be the Lord of the Year and we have to look exactly how it is configured in the natal chart and in the solar revolution, which means signs and houses it rules, its dispositor and finally, the aspects that it realizes and receives in the natal chart and in the solar revolution.

Writing what we observe is useful, because there are so many things to consider that our mind often forgets some very important of them

– Even if it seems obvious to you, write it down.

Yes, write down to yourself, it do not hurts, and justify your choice as if you were in the court room, until you have pages and pages of thoughts about what is important and why you have to take it into account, which houses should be avoided, which signs, which planets cannot be configured to some others … and much more.

At last but not least, consider the transits and avoid the malefic planets to be in configuration with the Lord of the Year and with the profection and firdar signs dispositors. If it is not possible, choose the less bad of the configurations.

All of the attention is good, but the astrologer will have to count on with some luck. I´ll give you an example:

Once, I chose the date of surgery for a client. I had already restricted the appropriate period, observing that both the firdar ruler and the sub-ruler were well configured in the natal chart, have avoided any contact with the eight house and her ruler, Venus, have paid good attention to where the profection felt in that year, which by the way was in the 8th house, which was ruled by Venus, as I said. In the natal chart Venus was in Virgo, very weak and in a cadent house, which was no good.

I had already verified the solar revolution, and the ascendant was Leo with Venus in the first house. Venus in this case, as ruler of the 8th house could be a light against a surgery. But the natal Leo was the sign of the 5th house, which seemed acceptable to me, due the intention of the surgery.

The Sun was the Lord of the Year, succedent in the solar revolution, applying itself to Saturn, but still distant, but I knew I had to take it into account.

Well, charts are imperfect, we have to get used with that, the malefics are always present, so the impression we have is that the astrologer flies from one side to another and when he thinks that has arrived at a good date, a planet appears to spoil all the job done.

I finally chose the day and the hour of my example chart. I justified the choice writing down to myself. And so I ended my day´s work and went out to watch a movie.

That night, when I closed my eyes to sleep, I remembered to send the report the next day and I felt uneasy. I stood up and opened the computer.

Out of the blue I saw that the Moon of the chosen date was in exact conjunction with Saturn in the Solar Revolution. The Moon was firdar´s sub-ruler and in addition, it has a huge importance over vital facts. I discarded the date and chose another one, very close, because the other planets were well.

It was not a perfect election, because after all, I realized that I could not accommodate well so many significators. But it looked as good as it was possible to be.

What is disturbing is the fact that it was virtually impossible to remember All ,as the fact that in the solar revolution Saturn would be at the same point and in the same degree as the Moon’s position of the chosen electional chart!

Saturn was not a significator, but it is the greatest malefic, and these coincidences, which in fact happen often, do not bode well.  Anyway, all this tiny thing requires a bionic attention! How do we ensure that we have all this in mind?

I don´t know if the surgery would be a disaster if I had forgot the position of Saturn, but I don´t like these kind of bad coincidences.

The question of choosing a date is complex. It is an intricate subject, because it uses the maximum freedom that is allowed to us, human beings.

In addition, there are elections of the date and time of birth, something of an unusual responsibility and that we must always carry out keeping in mind that we will try to reach some agreement with the divine.

Clélia Romano, DMA                                                        http://www.astrologiahumana.com

Mars, bloodthirsty and brave




Nocturnal, irregular, a wanderer of the heavens, masculine, maleficent, hot, has an affinity with that which is public, be it prostitution, carnage; impulsiveness hanging on to war and infections. In the body, it rules especially the head.

In the natal chart, if it occupies an angle, or looks to the ascendant or has to do to key points like the Lot of Fortune, or if it is in its exaltation or domicile, it can add a positive point to counteract its evil: it confers the ability to react and fight, not surrender or conform, if the native is in an adverse situation.

As the Brazilian song goes: evil can be good and good can be cruelty.

Even in fall, if his mundane situation is angular, in spite of immense fears, the native is led to react and not to conform. This I have seen in my experience.

There is hardly a good thing to be heard about Mars, a true malefic that comes to break and destroy abruptly whatever it may be, whether it is exalted or in regency, in fall or detriment, whether in mundane or personal affairs.

But sometimes it is the only one responsible for making crucial and fast decisions.

It occurred to me these days, when Mars sailed for Scorpio, to watch a series of rather painful films, where people were locked up and abused for years, to an unbearable point. Even freed from gags and handcuffs, the will was broken and they do not escape. Other characters, in equally scary movies, in an act of courage, even accepting the loss of a member, were freed from the bonds.

I should probably watch lighter movies, which would require me less courage to go to the end. I agree, but Mars transits Scorpio, his nocturnal sign, and no doubt there was a synastry.

Even the fact that I am writing now on the subject is not a random fact and is related to this passage.

I went to the Astrodatabank © list of charts that I own and had used the filter of abducted people who suffered violence.

But I soon realized that in order to find Mars in an important position, I should look for examples of courage rather than victimization.

I found thousands of charts, of which I selected two, for no particularly important reason. The native’s stories were one of courage and I thought they would serve the purpose.

We will see these charts and I expect that the delineation will give us greater clarification on the role of Mars.

This is the first chart:

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François Achille Bazaine (February 13, 1811 – September 23, 1888) was an officer of the French army.

Rising from a position for decades of service (including 35 years in campaigns, under Louis-Philippe and then Napoleon III, held all positions in the army.

He became known for his determination of leadership, for his impassive bearing under fire and for his personal bravery, getting to be bruised, which resulted in injuries on several occasions and had his horse shot from under him twice.

From 1863 he became a Marshal of France, and it was in this role that he delivered the last French army organized to Prussia during the Franco-Prussian War, during the siege of Metz.

They gave him an impossible task: to defeat a powerful enemy force, without support or supplies. He was able to engage them for 54 days, resulting in thier surrender.

He was sentenced to death by the government of the Third Republic, which declared that he yielded hastily and without due honor. He was tried by the Martial Court and sentenced to death.

But the president commuted his sentence to 20 years in prison in exile, from which he escaped.

He finally settled in Spain, where he died at 77 years old, alone and impoverished.

For the Foreign Legion he remained a hero and to this day is honored as one of its bravest soldiers.

Notice now that the astrological chart shows no angular planet.

If we did not use the Lot of Fortune as a second ascendant, the chart would be totally puzzling, a real enigma.

But, from the Lot of Fortune in House 9, using it now as House 1, Mars occupies the 10th House in relation to Fortune.

We can see that the domiciled Mars generated the profession of the native and his destiny. The ruler of Fortune is Jupiter in house 12, and it rules Saturn in the 7th house, the declared enemies, that is, the heavy sentence to which the native was submitted by his peers, the Martial Court.


Interestingly, exile, being away from home, in another country, from where he escaped, has a connection to house 9, where Fortuna is located.


But returning to Mars, domiciliated and below the sky in a daytime nativity, in haym, is squaring the Sun, the source of life in a daytime birth. That is why even Mars in good condition fails to do evil, soon or later.


The Sun ruler of sect lies in its joy, in the 9th house, but it is in its detriment, so in bad celestial condition, besides being afflicted by Mars.

By analyzing the chart we may see beforehand that something would go wrong. This hero was not only a hero, he killed many people even in the name of the motherland.

And when Mars is so prominent its sword is double-edged.



The second hero I will introduce is Jacques Lusseyran.



He was a fighter of the French resistance.
He was an active and happy child that became blind at the age of eight, on May 3, 1932, after accidentally hitting his head on a table.

He made school and college in Braille in Paris, maintaining his love for life and inner joy. He decided to study German when he sensed Hitler’s threat.

In 1943, as a teenager, he joined a group of young people, leading them to the Resistance Movement. Soon he joined a larger network and had his own newspaper, the Defense of France.

The edition of July 14, 1943, was printed in 250,000 copies (he also wrote the editorial). The transmission passed from the door-to-door distribution system to the open transmission, the exit of the churches or even to the subway.

Despite his disability, he quickly played an important role in the movement. During the first few months, he was responsible for controlling the recruitment of new members, using an inner sense, developed since he became blind, which allowed him to detect false pretensions in unknown interlocutors.

Betrayed, he was delivered to the Nazis, being arrested on July 19, 1943, being moved to a concentration camp. Among 2000 French in the same condition he was one of 30 who survived.

His survival is due, on the one hand, to the fact that he was involved as an interpreter by the Nazi camp administration, not having to suffer the terribly hard work of the “kommandos” of the work, but he was also helped daily by other prisoners because of his blindness.

Finally, according to what he reports in his books “The World Begins Today” and “The Light in the Dark” he felt supported by his spiritual strength which he claims to be present at all times.

His knowledge of German allowed him to understand and decrypt the information transmitted by the SS on the field loudspeakers. On August 26, 1944, he was certain that Paris had been released, although this was obviously not explicit.

On April 9, 1945, the US Army of General Patton arrived in the Weimar area. On the 10th, when the SS gave him the choice between staying at the camp or going out with them, he decided to stay. After a day of uncertainty, the field was released.
On April 18, 1945, he emigrated to the US and worked as a university professor in America, married and had four children.

He died in a car accident along with his third wife Marie, in France on July 27, 1971.

Analyzing the chart from the point of view of the contribution of Mars, we see that it is set to the South Node, which represents a great bad fortune in everything that concerns Mars. In addition, Mars squares the Ascendant and is angular if we use whole signs.

This man was wounded in the head and suffered a severe injury that in his childhood made him blind.

Now see: Mars has dignity in the ascendant, who receives Mars in his house as regent. It is worth quoting Masha’allah in his book On Reception: “When the ruler of life receives the ruler of Death there is death” Mars is not the ruler of the house of death but is a malefic. What happened is that the native did not revolt with his blindness: he accepted the designs of Mars and moved on.

Mercury provided a fruitful intellectuality and ability to express himself well, to learn and to write. A prodigious mind is revealed by Mercury occupying the house of the Good Spirit, far from the Sun and joined to the true MC: he was a writer and not a warrior.

What I found interesting in this chart is that we do not find bloody heroism, but the native’s acceptance of fate. In the end, the damage from Mars saved him effort and perhaps his life, because if he could see, he could have been killed in the concentration camp. A lord received in his own home is well treated, or the best possible. But we have to consider that receiving Mars in his own home is to receive a troublemaker and a thug.

In fact, our native died in an automobile disaster, a typically martial event.

What we see is that the maleficent Mars can be of assistance to tasks that require courage and they go beyond the war. But, Mars will always leave its mark of blood, like a fierce and hungry carnivore.

May we know how to use the beast that the cosmos has placed in our chart, may us try to understand it, and finally may us know that in the end we are not able to domesticate it once and for all.

Clélia Romano,DMA                 February 2018

War in Heaven

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The recent thoughts of Pablo Ianiszewski F.  in ISCA has motivated me to write, after a long period of silence while busy writing my last book.

I have raised a few points which, if they are not true,  certainly they are worth to be discussed.

In my ancient studies of astrology I tended to see the planets as the primary causation of the facts . Malefic planets caused harm, the benefics, benefits.

But after years, I have approached a non-causal, a more synchronic view of the events. The understanding of this synchronicity, if it can be sought in the celestial configuration, will not occur because the planets cause harm or blessings on earth.

I would like to point out that I agree with my colleague Pablo Ianiszewsky. An excess of  heat or cold is not conducive to the development of life. This is not under discussion.

Probably the fact that some planets are more distant from the Sun, the creator of life, led the astrologers to divide them in their basic characteristics. The more distant from the Sun  the  more malefics would the planets turn out.  Jupiter is an exception, probably because it has an affinity with Sagittarius which  makes a trigon with the Sun, the diurnal luminar, and with Pisces which makes a sextile with the Moon, the nocturnal light. The mix of aspects with luminaries, added to the distance of the Sun, must have influenced the ancients in their classifications in hot, cold, wet and dry.

This ground raises many questions that I do not want to discuss here, but one thing perhaps may be quite interesting to have in mind i.e. that  such classification depends on the human view of the elements, and it changes culturally, as we can see in the Eastern philosophy in which the element wood or metal also have room.

What I really would like to bring about in these few lines is that the intrinsic planetary essence goes far beyond the earth and that we know nothing about the planets, which are beings, each of them having their own inscrutable cosmic purpose and having to seek it far beyond the pettiness of our little world.

My view is that, we, as human inhabitants of this part of the universe, the earth, embedded in one of the hundreds of galaxies, depending essentially of the Sun, the principle of all life, tend to classify the visible planets according to the effect they cause to us.

I remember that Alchabitius saw Saturn esoterically as the first planet to which all the others follow. He says that Saturn is the first to operate on conception after the shedding of semen in the womb, contracting and unifying the matter with which the being is formed. Also in the Poimandres, it is said that the soul descends through the celestial spheres. Rudolf Steiner followed more or less this tone, when he explained that the soul comes from the universe and creates the skeleton through Saturn, until arriving at Venus that beautifies the flesh and finally reaches the Moon, rounding of the forms, shortly before the birth.

Much is supposed, but nothing is known for certain about planets and their intrinsic nature.

I have more and more the impression that the planets are not concerned with events on earth, but with their own interplanetary relationships.

I have raised the hypothesis that the chaotic or harmonic events that we experience have to do with the way the planets treat each other.

Evil derives from the evil way that one planet deals with  the other in a specific structure and this is reflected in efects  on earth, in a specular way, as it happens in the entire universe.

For example, if Mars attacks Jupiter, without mutual reception and especially being in a higher position, that is, considering as the majority of astrologers, that the planet in higher position is the one in the right, events will happen according to the nature of both, but the massacre will be especially bloody for everything that represents justice.

If things go the other way, and Jupiter is in a position above Mars, the result would be the victory over criminals, smashed by justice.

By this I mean that a square, just to name a kind of aspect, has a different meaning if one planet has a superior position in relation to the other. This explains the fact that there are squares that come to good and others that come to evil.

Even the trigons, an aspect of friendship, in a case where a malefic is one making the aspect, can have a paltry result if the malefic is in a superior position.

It is as if one o the planets falls from the high smashing the one beneath him.

I will quote one fresh example, a fact that happened today in my country, when our president, visibly suspected of criminality, was released by the court to follow his mandate, instead of suffering an impeachment.

Let me explain: Jupiter in Libra occupied the the 7th house, Libra, when the Sun entered in Cancer. Saturn, the ruler of the MC,  was cadent and retrograde,  occupying the 9th house.

Jupiter was then in a superior position, so we could imagine that ethics should prevail and this is a possiblle way to understand retrogradation: Saturn was walking towards Jupiter. This movement between planets in strong reception is always surprising, because turns out the lower planet pretty active  in his movement towards the other. Faced with the deep relationship between the two, one planet in the sign of the other, Jupiter ruling Sagittarius and Saturn ruling Libra for exaltation, I predicted in the  beginning of the third quarter of the year that the president would obtain support.

In fact, Saturn, ruler of Midheaven, constrained the law( Jupiter), which weighed against him, and favored Jupiter with  facilities, in the generous Sagittarius way, with which Jupiter has so much affinity.

Had the position of the planets been changed by signs the result would be different.

Brazilien people got a bit disapointed, that is fact. But the result  essentially is neither bad nor good from an universal point of view.

In this way, duality, in my humble opinion, is only one facet of ONE and same thing: that “thing” that human mind does not reach and that in its smallness calls good or evil.

Clélia Romano, DMA ( writed at August the 3rd of 2017)




Some thoughts about malefic and benefic planets

The last Mars / Saturn  conjunction in Sagittarius, on August 24th, 2016, raises some important considerations.

On the same day of the conjunction it happened there was an earthquake in Italy and 240 people were killed.

Here in Brazil the the impeachment trial of President Dilma Rousseff  was initiated by the Senate..

Ordinary people face problems of various kinds, especially those with planets in mutable signs.

In the heavens, most of the planets and luminaries are in Virgo. Virgo is Brazil´s Solar Sign, and the malefics in Sagittarius happen to be on the MC of this country.

Dilma Rousseff, who withdrew from the Presidency, has Mars in Virgo at 4 degrees, the Sun in Sagittarius at 25 degrees, Jupiter and Mercury at 11º and 10º. The malefic conjunction is activating  these points defiantly.

We can imagine that the Senate vote will not be  positive for the president.


grande conjunção Marte SaturnoI’m reminded of Steven Birtchfield´s words, when he wrote of the Zodiac as “living signs”

I consider it a very appropriate expression and we can observe that in heavens Sagittarius and all double signs are suffering, and the reflection of this is the situation in earth.The universe is a living organism and if one of its parts suffers, the whole body suffers.


Mundane occurrences depend on each natal chart and on the ruler ship of each planet in the signs.

But what strikes me is that we should keep in mind a reorientation.

The allocation off benefic and malefic planets comes  down to us from the Babylonians. However, there are features that go beyond the benefics bringing good things in life and malefics bringing bad experiences.

If we take a malefic and observe how he exercises his malfeasance, we tend to think that it is so called because of causing harmful things in our world. The real evil characteristic of the planet, however, rests in the fact that he treats other planets badly and such treatment, by synchronicity, reflects in our world.

Indirectly the malefic qualities belonging to Saturn and Mars translates into bad events that occur to humans, but in the first instance is the  war in heavens the responsible factor. The opposite effect is caused by the benefics, which treat well and benefit the other planets.

In a way, the idea that planetary relations should be seen from a heavenly point of view and not from the human point of view should always be remembered.

This is a focus  that we must get used to.

Explaining better we can reach the difference between benefics and malefics not because of a human perspective, but because in the first place, the living planets are suffering,  and this is caused by Saturn and Mars, squaring Virgo, afflicting the Sun and the Moon,( at least in the conjunction chart for Brazil), squaring the Nodes and all the planets in Virgo. The living creatures are suffering because Mars and Saturn are malefics, and their suffering causes tragedies on earth, but the point is to give light on WHY a planet is said to be malefic, and the answer is that it is because he cause war in heavens.

Clélia Romano, DMA     August 2016



 A  handy table constructed by Clélia Romano   

         according to  W.Lilly Teachings[i]

  Dedicated to my friends and partners

   Steven Birchfield and Peter Clark


       NO Means false

        YES Means true


1– Lord of the ASC in an angle
YES              NO

2– Moon in an angle

YES              NO

3– Dispositor of the Moon in an Angle

YES              NO

4– The dispositor of the Moon in a fixed sign.
YES              NO

5-Moon in a fixed sign?

YES              NO

6 -Moon in fixed Signes, separating from the infortunes and applying to a fortunate Planet, placed in any Angle

YES for a good rumor      NO for bad ones

7-Mercury separating from the an infortune and applying to a fortunate Planet, placed in any Angle

YES for a good rumors       NO for bad ones

8.Lord of the ASC is in a fixed sign?

YES              NO

9-Moon is in a sucedant house?

YES             NO

10- Moon in good aspect with the fortunate Planets, viz.in Sextile or trine of Jupiter, Venus or Sun?

YES ( for the good rumors    NO for bad ones

11-Lord of the ASC is in a sucedent house?

YES              NO

12– Lord of the Asc in good aspect with the fortunate Planets, viz.in Sextile or trine of Jupiter, Venus or Sun?

YES for good rumors             NO for bad rumors

13– Lord Of ASC, afflicted by the infortunes

YES              NO
14-Moon cadent in house (even if strong in the sign)

YES              NO

15– Lord of the Asc. is cadent in house (even if strong in the sign)

YES              NO

16– There are some malefic sitiated in the third of rumors?

YES              NO

17– Third house Lord afflict by malefic

YES              NO



                     NO Means false

                   YES  Means true



1– Are the angles of the figure in fixed signs?

YES               NO

2 Are the angles of the 4th and of the 10th in fixed signs?

YES               NO

3 Third house Lord is in the 3rd?

YES               NO

4 Third house´s lord is in a fixed sign?

YES               NO

5: Are the Angles of the 4th and of the 10th in fixed signs and the Moon is received in them?
YES               NO



[i] Instruction to use the Table: You have to print it and compare your chart according with each one of the questions above, underlying the answer for each one. After sum up the Columns saying YES and the columns saying NO.

You might compare with the last complementary table to check out your conclusions.

The Native´s Profession According to Medieval Authors

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This article is a summary of a chapter of my 2nd book, The Practice of Traditional Astrology that deals with the native´s profession. Since the book is not being translated into English I think it would be useful to summarize it here.

Aside that, I have at this time some charts that are not apparently easy to delineate and I want to show that the medieval instructions if well studied can delineate them.

Please refer to Stefen Birtchfield´s article on this same blog, because I will not repeat the same considerations he made and it is important to take them into account.

So in this article we will focus especially on the native profession, the work,

duties and their strength and power to perform actions in the world.

The delineation of the native’s profession according to Medieval sources which will be addressed here reveals a skill that is the native backdrop for a lifetime.

To outline the type of profession that appears in the natal chart following the Medieval technique is quite different from the simplification that occurred in astrology in modern times.

Nowadays if you just outline the ruler of the MC and see if there are planets aspecting this place, people can talk about the profession, when in fact the Medieval procedure is much more complex.

Delineating the ruler of the 10th house and the planets in aspect to it is only part of one of the techniques, a second choice.

Guido Bonatti gives attention mainly   to   the   rising sign not only because it is the   most important house   of the chart,   but   also because   the Ascendant   can show whether the native has the corresponding body to perform some kind of work.

For example, a warrior or a weight charger must have an Ascendant pointing to the necessary body structure to carry out such tasks. Everything must be connected , as the temperament and the primary motivation, until we get to the correct significator.

The chart should be read in conjunction in order to reach some exact point that is the way through which the native will express himself or herself professionally.

In practice we have to determine whether the native conformation of body is masculine, feminine or neutral, if the temperament is mental, emotional, or vital, just as Stefen Birtchfield have observed.

We will not address to these issues here, but just remember that they provide important information.

Bonatti tells us to use the Ascendant in the first place: if there is a planet   there, it should   be used as a significator   of the native ‘s profession. If there are no planets in the first house, we have to look at the 10th house and if there is a planet there it must be considered in relation to the native´s profession as well.

If we do not find planets in the first house or in the 10th house, we look to the fourth house and the seventh house. Planets in 7th house mean that the native has several small jobs or is employed sometimes and not regularly, and his profession is not solid. The 4th House is considered stronger   than   the   seventh   if we are   looking   for   the   professional significator.

So if we have planets in angles we can use them to evaluate and discover the native’s professional choice.

Bonatti says that if there are planets in these four angles we have to make an Almuten of these angles and observe if this planet has dignity in the

10th house as lord of domicile, exaltation, triplicity or term.

If the significator is eastern to the Sun and western in relation to the Moon it strengthens it, but if it does not happen, we still can use it, but it is weaker.

The next step is if no planet was found so far.

In this case we have to observe the planet to whom the Moon will first apply after the SAN, if the nativity is diurnal and if the nativity is nocturnal we have to observe the first planet that will join to the Part of Fortune.

Note also that a planet   can be used if it is coming out of the Sun’s rays,

but further away, no more than 20 degrees, especially if this planet is

Mars, Mercury or Venus .

Notice if this planet or any planet which is in the angles is aspecting the


This initial list points to the fact that there are several positions   that are able to indicate a planet as professional significator and if we find a planet with two of these conditions we can use it as the professional significator.

Reviewing what you should consider:

1-   Planet in the 1st or 10th house or in the angles (use whole signs, according to Bonatti ) .

2 – If the planet is eastern   to the Sun and aspects the Moon it has preference.

3 – If it is the first planet aspecting the SAN in a diurnal nativity or the

Part of Fortune in a nocturnal nativity.

4- If a planet is coming out of the sun’s rays, no farther than 20º.

5 – If a planet is eastern to the Sun in a diurnal nativity or western to the

Moon in a nocturnal nativity.

When we find a planet with one of these conditions we should consider it, and outline the native ‘s profession from it , especially if it is Mercury, Venus or Mars and if it has any dignity in the 10th House .

The dignity of face or decan is very weak and is not used.


If one of the three mentioned planets are in aspect to the Sun and Moon ,or even more strongly, if a reception is intervening, means that the native will have a profession and a job , will go ahead and will use it with ease, and the profession will be able to give him enough financial resources.

If we have more of one professional significator, we have to chose the one with more dignity in the place where it is in.

When the chart do not meet any of these conditions and in a diurnal nativity and there   is no planets   aspecting   the Sun or if we are   dealing with a nocturnal nativity and there is no planets aspecting the Moon, or if the Moon is not linked to any planet, the professional significator must be sought by looking to the planet from which the Moon was separated recently or from the master of the house where the Part of Fortune is located or from the one which fits best.

If the planet   that resulted   from all this study is fortunate, in good

condition and even more if it is aspected friendly by Mercury, it means that the native will be good at his profession, versed in the science of numbers and writing or mechanical work, and has good intellect and progress in his professional life.

If Saturn is making a nice aspect to this planet and is in good condition and well prepared, it means that the native can benefit from farmlands and plantations and if Saturn aspects it from the tenth house means that the native will rise to large regencies and responsibilities , but with lots of hard work .

If Jupiter is aspecting the professional planet or if reception intervenes it means that the native will be honest and wise, or a writer, and will rise and live with princes, kings and great men.

If Mars is aspecting the significator or if he is itself the significator it indicates that the native is prone to medicine and surgery, but also to theology and will have a mind that will be applied without difficulty to these things and he will be smart and resourceful.

According to Masha’allah (The Book of Aristotle, translated by Benjamin Dykes, we read that if the Ascendant gives signs of a blind native he will be deprived of having a profession.

In addition   , we should   pay attention to some important points   to disentangle the native profession:

1 – Venus, Mercury and Mars are important because they rule crafts.

2 – The application of the New or Full Moon before the Nativity of these three planets should be considered.

3 – The orientality or westernization of the three planets should   be

considered .

4 – The local of the Part of Kingship   should   be considered. This Part is constructed from Mercury to Mars by day and the result is added to the Ascendant   (ASC + Mars-Mercury) and   from   Mars to   Mercury   in nocturnal nativities (ASC +Mercury-Mars).

5 – The nature of the signs in which the three planets are must be considered.

6 – Consider the angles and planets in them: Ascendant, 10th, 7th house and 4h house.

7 – Consider the signs after the angles and also the sixth sign, as said by

Abu Bakr based in Paul of Alexandria and Rethorius .

Ptolemy, Dorotheus and Hephaistio have prioritized the 10th house, the 4th house and the Ascendant plus the location of the Lot of Fortune checking if Mercury, Venus or Mars was in one of those places . If is not the case, they recommend to look if one of these three was near to the Moon or to the Sun, and if you do not find any planet able to give professions, they warned to observe the sixth house and then the second.

Traditional sources used to   delineate   the native ‘s profession took into account Venus, Mercury and Mars, their houses and terms or whether they were Eastern or Western, or if they are aspected by benefics or harmful planets. The authors took into consideration also the Lot of Work   or   Kingship,   verifying if its ruler   was configured   to Venus, Mercury and Mars .

If Venus , Mercury and Mars are not aspecting the Ascendant or the Midhaeven the native would not have skill or profession.

Masha’allah however has considered Jupiter and Saturn as professional significators. My opinion is that they can bring a new dimension to the profession.

The greatest glories would be coming from the position in angles and the

orientality or westernization of the planet .

The beneficial planets indicate luck and wealth and the evil ones threaten with poverty and starvation.

Abu Bakr said the following, ” The ancients did not concede dominion over the profession other than to 3 planets (Venus , Mercury and Mars ) , and rightly so, because Saturn, Jupiter , the Sun and Moon do not mean professions without the partnership of these planets . The Sun which means royalty and kings , high officials and traders that have slaves below them, so they themselves take care of the king. Saturn is the master of laziness, greed , weight, madness and sadness and so if Saturn is peregrine in the nativity   without a good aspect of the 3 planets that signify professions or if he is aspecting badly that three planets , the native will suffer injuries and be disapproved because of his profession and he will not seek rest for his sake , but because of his misery , and if some planet is helped by Saturn in a powerful aspect , the native can still work the land , channel fill , bury the dead and move from place to place or work in fields and vineyards as a slave miserable or doing trade.

Since that Jupiter is the lord of religion and prayer and so, if he is without the help of other which give professions in certain nativity , that means that the native will be freed from secular things and will mediate those things between God and men, and will let the world behind and will have a poor life.

The Moon is the lady of weakness, fast, light and of low intellect response and his great work is to come and go. It means working with your hands and feet and this according to the reception and respect to the other three planets. If the Moon is not fortunate in a nativity the native will move without good fruits, and if it is strong it means carrying luggage and heavy things or working with the hands. Furthermore, it indicates those who bring discord among others for doing gossip”.


Therefore, Jupiter, Sun, Moon and Saturn are not themselves indicators of professions, each one for a reason, but they can give to the profession a special feature insofar the professional significator was in aspect with them and in good or bad condition, fortunate or not, or if mutual reception intervenes.

To discover the professional significator can be one of the most difficult tasks in astrology.

It often deceive us , because if the significator was for example , Mars , which represent warriors , was close to a star of the nature of Mercury , the native may make war with words. The same if Mars is in water sign and is aspected by Mercury.

Abu Bakr follows Rethorius and Paulus and says that the quality of the significator will reduce or give potential to the profession.

Now I´ll show you two charts , one from a sculptor and the other from a singer;


We do not see Mercury, Venus and Mars in angles. But Rodin, a very important sculptor has Mars in the same sign that the Fortune. So we must look at Mars as a potential significator. Mercury receives it by domicile.

We see also that Mercury is conjunct Venus, in the Fortune´s 4th house, so angular to the Fortune.

The MC domicile master is Venus and if we consider the point of Midheaven we observe that Mars is its domicile lord.

The Asc. is in a earth sign, showing that the primary motivation is the material security.

Mars is the exaltation lord of the Asc. and the lord of the domicile of the Sun: and we are dealing with a diurnal chart.

Creating form in the formless world was the way that the native used to perform his mastership and he was fully recognized by it. We can imagine how much strength someone must have to create a human figure out from a stone.

It not easy to delineate the native´s profession from this chart, but using the Medieval techniques the chart becomes very clear.

George Michael

The chart above pertains to the nativity of George Michael , an English singer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist and record producer. Michael rose to superstar, one of the world’s best-selling music artists.

We see the same aspect that we saw in Rodin´s chart, but like a mirrored chart.

The result is the same: fame and money. But this time the Asc is Cancer, which has as primary motivations the necessity of emotional security.

Mars is in the same sign of the Fortune and Mercury and Venus are in the 10th from the Fortune. His temperament is much more sanguine than Rodin´s, which was mostly melancholic.

Both charts shows how important is to look at the Part of Fortune always and especially when we are dealing with the professional significator, one of the most difficult tasks.

At first I thought that the success of George Michael was due to the Sun, in a diurnal chart, having Jupiter and Saturn in masculine signs , working as doriphories, but it is much more plausible that the explanation of his profession stands on the Fortune and the planets angular to them.

We can say that the life of George Michael was easier than the Rodin´s life, and that Rodin´s profession was much harder and heavy, due the hard aspect between Venus and Saturn.

Clélia Romano,DMA

The collective meaning of Jupiter in Leo – A Traditional Approach

The collective meaning of Jupiter in Leo – A Traditional Approach

Clélia Romano, DMA

“This article was published in the Autumn 2014 by
The Quarterly Journal of NCGR-NYC”


I know that many readers are not used to a traditional point of view, so my purpose here is to show that classical astrologers using traditional tools are able to give a meaningful and direct reading of a chart.

I´ll begin by saying that the entry of Jupiter into Leo can be seen from a dual perspective.

On the one hand, any planet that leaves his own sign loses a great honor. Jupiter was in its exaltation in Cancer, and now, entering into Leo, a sign of fire, it still has some dignity since it is in its own triplicity. So it is like a man among friends, but it is not the boss anymore.

Jupiter in Leo is preparing to make a square with Saturn, the last of them since its departure from the conjunction back in 2000.
This time Jupiter challenges Saturn. It throws itself on Saturn as a fighter occupying a superior position. Many things must be adjusted at this time. Jupiter, as a representative of what is wise, fair and wealthy will impose its meaning on the Saturnian limitation. In a way it is good news, but it will take its toll by the necessary adjustment.
Previously, when in Cancer, Jupiter applied to Saturn by trine, let´s say trying to convince it with its best manners to be good and behave with a certain  indulgence.

Saturn is in the sign of Mars and at the end of August it experienced the conjunction with its ruler, the worst and most malefic mundane conjunction.
Therefore, the presence of Jupiter in top position in this configuration brings some hope for the troubled times we live in, where the world has forgot the word piety, where virtue and wisdom were put aside in favor of violence.
With the most recent entry of the Sun into Aries, the world lived through a really difficult configuration.
On that day, the Moon and Saturn were both in Scorpio.
The Moon has its fall in Scorpio becoming bloodthirsty, a murderer of her own children—and the presence of Saturn, to which the Moon was adhered, worsened the situation.
At the time, Mars was in Libra, the sign of its detriment, and we know that a malefic in bad celestial condition becomes sharper and destroys everything without a precise objective.
Jupiter in Cancer, the good boy, could not believe in evil things, and patted the head of the Moon, so to speak. After all, she was its dispositor.

So, the entry of Jupiter into the sign of Leo, where it does not take for granted the perpetuation of the heavens´ reign, besides the fact that it is squaring Saturn, can prove to be a hard but necessary lesson in reality.
Now, a short digression on the effects of Jupiter in the natal chart and in the ingress chart of the USA:

Looking over the natal chart of the USA, we note that both Saturn and Jupiter are exalted. This makes discipline and responsibility a matter of honor for the country. Besides that, Jupiter provides good luck in developments related to money and partners’ resources ( be they friends or foes). The exaltation of the radical Jupiter in the 8th House (using whole signs) makes the country too interested in profit and in using third parties to get it. The dispositor of Jupiter, the Moon, is in the sign of Saturn, Aquarius, which counteracts expansionary needs with appropriate responsibilities.

So the drama represented by the entry of the Sun into Aries (i.e. the conjunction of the Moon, as the Ascendant´s Lord, and Saturn, both giving testimony to Cancer) acted in a less dramatic way, because the country has a good radical Saturn and the ingress´s Ascendant was Cancer with Jupiter in it. Even if Jupiter carries its meaning of an 8th house planet, it is a benefic in exaltation conjunct Venus, which is certainly a positive omen.
However, the transiting Mars in Libra in the Aries ingress chart, near the radical Saturn, a place where it was sneaking for months, demanded a big effort to cope with declared and hidden enemies. I refer also to the fact that, in the natal chart, Mars is in 7th house, presaging war and fighting.

Any planet carries for the Solar Revolution its native sense,its topical meaning in the natal chart and in the case of Mars it would not be different.
But since the Aries ingress´s Ascendant for the USA was Cancer and Jupiter was transiting in the same sign of the radical chart, there was some protection and prosperity for the people, and the aggressive mood was properly muffled.

According to Abu Ma’shar and Masha’allah, in the revolution of the years of the world every time that the Ascendant falls in a cardinal sign as Cancer, Aries, Libra and Capricorn we have to cast another mundane chart in the exact minute when the Sun enters the first degree of Libra.

In this case we cast the following chart:

In this chart, if our ancient teachers were not wrong, it appears that the country can only avoid a serious confrontation with declared enemies by relying on the diplomatic skills of its aides. It will be necessary to deal with foreign countries, perhaps of different religions. The chart for September 22nd is certainly much harder for the USA than the one of March 20th, generating much concerns. Mars, a planet symbolizing fight is now occupying the 7th house, the same house he occupies in the natal chart, and Mars is in the sign of the USA´s Ascendant. So, we can expect danger.
The President will be required to have a gift for saying the right words at the right time. Fortunately, such a skill will not fail but there will be a mood of wear and tension.
Referring to Jupiter in Leo, now occupying the 9th house of the USA’s radical chart, we can say that there will be a weakening of domestic prosperity, because the 9th house is a cadent house—so it is weaker, representing other countries, but not money coming from partnership, as was the case with Jupiter in the first ingress chart. This time the attention will be turned to the foreign situation.
This was a brief summary of certain ideas I have on the subject. The future will say to which point I´m right.

August 2014