On temperament delusions

My post should start as the previous one: “do not blindly follow the rules!”

Astrology can tell us many things, but we should always think about what we are talking about: trusting too much to a chart is very risky sometimes, as the Ancients know quite well. William Lilly in his well known example about temperament in Christian Astrology III, cannot help to consider his direct knowledge of the man whose nativity he is studying, because astrology should be always subordinate to real life, and not viceversa .

Recently I came across in the assessment of the temperament of Pope John XXIII, in the world Angelo Roncalli. The astrologer is a good one, but it was very evident to me, an Italian, the author has no knowledge about who Angelo Roncalli was, he did neither know how he was like or why he is so famous.

in order to explain the point let us start from the chart.

Angelo Roncalli, Sotto il Monte 25/11/1881 h. 10:15 am
Angelo Roncalli, Sotto il Monte (Italy) 25/11/1881 h. 10:15 am

As known temperament should be judged from the Ascendant and Moon, the season of the Sun and the ruler of nativity.

At a quick look – with the Moon and the Ascendant in Saturn sign, the obvious conclusion is the strong melancholic influence.

Same result if we use a sophisticated traditional software:

Angelo Roncallis temperament
Angelo Roncalli’s temperament

Everything seems ok, anyway unfortunately nothing was further from truth. Angelo Roncalli was a short, fat old man with a background in Papal diplomacy, and in the people’s minds and hearts he will always be the “Good Pope”. It’s very hard indeed to find in him some of Saturnian qualities, but on the contrary it’s the sanguine temperament which prevails and so evident to be what he is remembered for.

Pope John XXIII
Pope John XXIII

Roncalli is especially known for the Speech of the Moon, where we can find all his love and empathy.

“Dear children, I hear your voices. Mine is one voice, but summarizes the voice of the whole world. Here the whole world is represented. One could say that even the moon was rushed tonight, to look at this show, which not even the Basilica of St. Peter, that has four centuries of history, has never been able to contemplate.”
“My person is nothing, is a brother who speaks to you, become a father by the will of Our Lord, but all together, fatherhood and brotherhood and grace of God, we honor impressions of this evening, which are always our feelings, as now we express them in front of sky, and in front of the Earth: Faith, Hope, Charity and Love of God, Love of the Brothers. And then all at once, aided so, in the holy peace of the Lord, to works of Good. ”
‘Returning home, you will find children. Give a caress your children and say: this is the caress of the Pope. You will find some tears to dry, say a good word: the Pope is with us, especially in times of sadness and bitterness.

Knowing a little more of John XXIII it is easy to forget Saturn and  to look at the hot & moist Moon because in the first phase, and moist because in the first house. Venus is at MC, in aspect to the Ascendant, hot & moist because oriental, in Scorpio (a cold & moist sign), and ruling and aspecting the lord of Ascendant, Saturn in Taurus.

Astrology works but we cannot work blindly, we are not diviners, we should always compare astrological results with facts, because if we do not this we are doomed to mistakes and delusions.